2.8 V6 Performance Questions

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I ditched the idea of a 3800 series 1 swap and decided to go with a 2.8l v6 out of a 1986 fiero.
What heads are interchangeable onto the engine, and when did they come out with the "fast burn" style heads for the v6? also, would it be worth the time and effort to port the factory heads or just to switch them for a different pair then possibly port them?
I obviously don't know to much about the factory 2.8 engine, so if you know of any performance ideas/parts just let me know.
thanks
 
I ditched the idea of a 3800 series 1 swap and decided to go with a 2.8l v6 out of a 1986 fiero.
What heads are interchangeable onto the engine, and when did they come out with the "fast burn" style heads for the v6? also, would it be worth the time and effort to port the factory heads or just to switch them for a different pair then possibly port them?
I obviously don't know to much about the factory 2.8 engine, so if you know of any performance ideas/parts just let me know.
thanks

I can tell you one thing about the factory 2.8L V6. There is a reason why a lot of people swap them for different engines. They were just okay. The electrical wasn't very good and for all the work they required and maintenance it is just better to go get something like a 3.4L DOHC V6 out of a 93-95 F-body.

I currently posses an 85 2m4 and my game plan is to go with this swap. The engines can be found in good condition for a realitively inexpensive price (about the same amount you'd pay for a 2.8L) Also the 3.4L dohc bolts straight up to the BOP bolt patterns on the Muncie transaxles. The only motor mount you will have to create for it would be the one by the fire wall and make a new dogbone mount. the hardest part of the work you will have to do is the wiring harness, but if you can find someone with the engine still in the f-body you could tell them just to unhook the PCM and leave the wiring plugged in so when you put it on the cradle you will have to be careful but the wiring will almost be there in whole.

take a look at the "positives and negatives of different engine swaps" thread and take a look at some of the info that Oreif has provided me. Guy knows his stuff and has had experience with these cars.

Also contact sinister or WCF and talk to them about some of this stuff they maybe able to give you a little more isight into the who what whys and hows.

Good luck!
 
I ditched the idea of a 3800 series 1 swap and decided to go with a 2.8l v6 out of a 1986 fiero.
What heads are interchangeable onto the engine, and when did they come out with the "fast burn" style heads for the v6? also, would it be worth the time and effort to port the factory heads or just to switch them for a different pair then possibly port them?
I obviously don't know to much about the factory 2.8 engine, so if you know of any performance ideas/parts just let me know.
thanks

The are 3 heads that will work on the Fiero 2.8L. The first is the small valve cast iron head that was used on the S-series trucks, The second is the stock H.O. heads that are already on the engine, or the Falconer race heads.

The later aluminum heads require you to use the matching intake which means you need to use the matching DIS ignition and such.

They never made a "fast burn" style head for the 60* V-6's.

As for performance parts, There are a few parts available that will work well. You have a choice of about 16 different cams to start with. Here is a list of some recommended parts:
Crower HI-DRAULIC HAULER / Performance Level 4 camshaft
Comp Cams roller tipped rockers and heavy duty pushrods
Coyles double roller timing chain
Fiero Store stainless steel performance valves
Trueleo intake and headers (www.trueleo.com)
Accel 19# injectors
Holley adjustable fuel pressure regulator
RSM 62mm throttle body

Take the heads to a shop and have them ported, polished and decked .010

Once all the above is done you should have around 210hp.
If you put all the same parts on a 1993-1995 F-body 3.4L you will have around 235hp.

The F-body 3.4L is a better block to use as well since it has better designed oil galleys, is stronger than the 2.8L, and aside from a larger displacement is the same size block externally as the 2.8L and all the parts of the 2.8L bolt onto the 3.4L. They even use the exact same heads. So even if you have a Fiero 2.8L you could swap over all the external parts (intake/exhast manifolds, ignition system, timing cover/oilpan, etc.) and it would look like a stock 2.8L just actually be a 3.4L and have 20 hp more.

One a final note: If your Fiero is a 1984 as your screen name indicates, There are some things you will need to do to the car in order to swap in a stock Fiero V-6. You will need a 1985-1988 decklid to clear the top of the V-6 because the 1984 decklid with the center vent will hit the top of the V-6 intake. The main harness where it enters the body on the firewall has to be moved because the V-6 exhaust manifold wil interfere with it. You will need to cut a hole where the harness goes in like on the 1985-1988 Fiero's. You will need to upgrade the radiator to a V-6 radiator as well as the fuel pump in the tank.

Swapping in a stock V-6 into a 1984 is actually harder that it appears. GM made many changes to the chassis in order to use the V-6's for the 1985 model year.

One thing to consider is building a SD4 engine. All you would need to change is the fuel pump.
Though not a production engine, the Super Duty 4 racing engine was notable and widely publicized at the time because it was used in the Fiero IMSA race cars as well as the 3 specially built Fier Pace cars for the 1984 Indy 500. It was the basis for NASCAR's Touring Car series. The Super Duty 4 (usually called the "SD4") is still in use today for ARCA Racing.

A 2.7L 232 hp SD4 engine powered the 1984 Fiero Indy Pace Car to over 138 mph during the race. (it went 144mph when they were testing it on the track) The SD4 was never available in production vehicles, however Pontiac's Performance Parts counter had all the SD4 parts available and one could garner a 2.7L 272 hp version and a 3.0L 330 hp version. All 2000 Indy Fiero Pace Car replicas came with the stock production 2.5L 92 hp Iron Duke engine.

The SD4 was the last in a line of high performance Pontiac "Super Duty" engines. Kansas Racing Products still makes the engines after buying the rights to make them from GM.

Cosworth also produced a 16-valve head (Cosworth Project DBA, 1987) for the Iron Duke.
 
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wow, thats some good info!!!
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I just picked up the engine yesterday and I noticed it has a Holley throttle body on it. This is not factory equipment is it? I also have manifolds and a crossover pipe from a 3800 series 1. If modified to work on this engine would they be too big for it?
Thanks again
 
I just picked up the engine yesterday and I noticed it has a Holley throttle body on it. This is not factory equipment is it? I also have manifolds and a crossover pipe from a 3800 series 1. If modified to work on this engine would they be too big for it?
Thanks again

Yes the Holley throttle body is a factory stock throttle body. GM had Holley make the throttle body and Crane Cams made the camshafts for the 2.8L engines in the Fiero.

No, The 3800 manifolds will not fit. The 3800 is a 90* V-6 and the 3.4L is a 60* V-6. also the bolt pattern is different as well.
 
Is there a website for the RSM throttle body?
Also, what size combustion chambers do these heads have and what size valves? Are parts from the 3.1 interchangeable (heads, etc.)?
 
Is there a website for the RSM throttle body?
Also, what size combustion chambers do these heads have and what size valves? Are parts from the 3.1 interchangeable (heads, etc.)?

I don't know of any sites that would be strictly about the RSM throttle body, However I do believe that you could go to their website and get the info you need.

The combustion chambers are 64cc's

As for interchangeable parts, I believe just about everything is interchangeable between these two engines as far as bolt ons are concerned and other than that I believe just the heads. But I could be wrong. I'd wait for more responses on this one.
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Is there a website for the RSM throttle body?
Also, what size combustion chambers do these heads have and what size valves? Are parts from the 3.1 interchangeable (heads, etc.)?

Yes, The company that took over RSM is Z-spec.
Here is a link to their Fiero page:
http://www.z-spec.com/fiero.htm

The 62mm is originally designed for a Grand Am 3400, But the Trueleo intake can be ordered to fit the throttle body and all sensors are plug-n-play with the Fiero harness.
http://www.z-spec.com/grandamperformance.htm
62mmtbbefaft.jpg



As for heads, The cast iron heads on a Fiero 2.8L are the same exact heads also used on the 3.1L V-6 engines used in the minivans 1990-1992 and on the Firebird/Camaro 3.4L's from 1993 thru 1995.

Valve size 1.72" intake 1.42" exhaust

Cam lift .394 exhaust .410 exhaust
 
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