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Hello all, I have a 1967 Tempest with a 69 428 with 63 heads and Cross Ram intake. I hate the way it runs and want to swap over to a single carb manifold. I have only had the car a couple of weeks. Does anyone know if there is a manifold available that could be swapped in without having to change the heads? Thanks.
 
the only intakes that will fit are 64 and older
 
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Just to verify

the only intakes that will fit are 64 and older

Thanks for the reply, I have been busy with some other problems with the car and forgot all about this post.

I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying for sure; So if I can find a 1964 or older Pontiac V8 intake, I can just remove the cross ram and install the new one no problem? What about after market ie; Edelbrock manifolds for a 1964 and older Pontiac V8(s)? If there are any.

The car is in pretty good condition considering it has been sitting out for years; has been a home for millions of mice. The guy that did all the work on it is a mechanic by profession but I am not real impressed with what he has done with the drivetrain. A lot of work that just needs to be redone to make it right. Oh well, I wanted a muscle car and it was cheap; its a good start but I'll be tinkering for evermore.

The positive lead to the starter was up against the header so that shorted out while I was adjusting the clutch, which is another homemade mickey mouse setup but thats another story, luckily the negative lead fried open before the battery exploded. I have been rewiring ever since, what a spaghetti bowl that was. Got it looking pretty good now but I am going to opt for a Powermaster compact starter to make sure there is plenty of room around the headers. I installed the original starter but it was a very tight fit(that's what she said) and I don't feel comfortable having seen what happened already. $200 for piece of mind will be well worth it. Anyway I could go on forever so I'll just stop now.
I really appreciate the help. Thanks. I think a single four barrel with a manual choke and a HEI Dist. would make a world a difference. There doesn't seem to be enough vacuum to pull through those duals to keep it running unless my foot is in it all the time.... and that's no fun. I want to be able to use it for cruising around town.... eventually. :rolleyes:
 
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Your combination is quite confusing because in theory you cannt put 1963 heads on a 1969 engine assemlby. The heads were redesigned on the later engines and the blocks contained a different piston design to go along with it. You may want to speak to the guy who sold you the car to find out what he did to get your current combo to fit. Any chance you can get me the engine code located in front of the passenger side cylinder head stamped on a metal pad on the block. It would be a code like YK or YKH, etc. As far as single 4 bbl manifold, even aftermarket, you probably will only find something used. Here is a link to a good site for more detail on head interchangeability and manifolds.

www.pontiacracing.net/head.htm
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Your combination is quite confusing because in theory you cannt put 1963 heads on a 1969 engine assemlby. The heads were redesigned on the later engines and the blocks contained a different piston design to go along with it. You may want to speak to the guy who sold you the car to find out what he did to get your current combo to fit. Any chance you can get me the engine code located in front of the passenger side cylinder head stamped on a metal pad on the block. It would be a code like YK or YKH, etc. As far as single 4 bbl manifold, even aftermarket, you probably will only find something used. Here is a link to a good site for more detail on head interchangeability and manifolds.

www.pontiacracing.net/head.htm
Yes it is confusing as I have read other posts that say this combination is possible and others that say it isn't but since I have one I am pretty sure it is. All I know about the block I.D. so far is it does have 428 in the block casting seen behind the starter when I had it out to adjust the clutch. I will look/get those block codes tomorrow. I'll try to find some hints on the heads while I am looking around also. I will know for sure when I pull the intake but I'm not at a point I want to do that yet.
I ended up using the original starter; I reworked a heat shield to fit and protect the solenoid, heat wrapped the positive and ignition switch leads. I routed the ignition switch lead inside the solenoid heat shield and positive lead from the batt around the back side of the clutch pivot which gave a straight path to the starter running against the block and a good 1.5 inch away from the headers. Having saved $$$ I"d like to spring for new carpet and headliner kit. The interior is med blue throughout, buckets with a 65 4-speed console, Muncie(not sure which one) Hurst shifter has the 50 year anniversary knob, 4:11 12 bolt. It has an early style after market under dash AC; I am debating whether to yank it or leave it.
If you care to see what I am working with google "1967 Tempest 428 cross ram". It's the one with the two triangle aluminum edelbrock air cleaners sticking out of the hood. Ideally I'd go with a single card intake and switch to a GTO hood, wood veneer the dash, add GTO rocker moldings and paint it bright silver metallic with a blue pinstripe to match/bring out the interior color. Oh, and re-chrome both bumpers and maybe install some small rectangle fog lamps in the grille to give it a GTO look. I found some aluminum mesh thats fairly close to a GTO look that I'll cut to fit and inlay over the inner grille halves.
I haven't had a chance to drive it yet; I had a retina detach the day before it was delivered and then knee surgery on the left knee (clutch). I had my son drive me around the block one evening; he put his foot in it and it hopped like a jack rabbit; not sure if that is because of the coil spacers ???? I raised it 3" on all fours with coil spacers since the pictures were taken; stance looks great but I may need to switch to airbags if the ride sucks. I had a 1967 GTO 30 years ago, it had plenty of torque but it never hopped like this one does(I don't like that). I'd prefer it to just spin the tires.
The carbs are Holleys and they don't have chokes. I believe if they had manual chokes I could create the vacuum it needs to keep it running at idle(theory) and stop the caughing/hesitation on acceleration(the acc. pumps are working). Both carbs are sucking from the valve covers to the back ports; I think I'll try plugging those off and see if the vacuum increases.... possible??? Its been sitting quite awhile, I should do a clean and rebuild on the carbs and see what that does.... came from NC and now in Utah probably needs different jets. I don't know if I can add a choke on these carbs???? I probably should just change the intake when I know what I've got for sure.
From what I can tell it has some type of magnetic pickup distributor but the coil is separate. There is no clearance for an HEI due to that bothersome cross ram or I would have changed that first thing. I'll try not to be so long winded when I post the block code. Thanks for the link; I'll go there next, cya tomorrow.
 
Your combination is quite confusing because in theory you cannt put 1963 heads on a 1969 engine assemlby. The heads were redesigned on the later engines and the blocks contained a different piston design to go along with it. You may want to speak to the guy who sold you the car to find out what he did to get your current combo to fit. Any chance you can get me the engine code located in front of the passenger side cylinder head stamped on a metal pad on the block. It would be a code like YK or YKH, etc. As far as single 4 bbl manifold, even aftermarket, you probably will only find something used. Here is a link to a good site for more detail on head interchangeability and manifolds.

www.pontiacracing.net/head.htm
Hi, just a quick question, I have read 421 and 389 are different block castings and 421 and 428 are the same block casting.
Is it possible the heads are from a 1963 421 and they would fit a 1969 428 ? Just trying to think of something; he did say they were 63 heads and his answer was the same as your original answer that 1964 and older intake would fit.
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Block code

On the front right side of the block at the edge is D then a "tit" with what looks like a V behind it and then an N. So what I would call DVN. About an inch back is "GM15" cast at 90 DEG clockwise from DVN with an L above the "GM15" cast another 90 DEG clockwise or 180 DEG from DVN. I can see no other symbols except the 428 mid block. I have found no codes, ID or characters on the heads.... so far.




Ps. Edit: At the back of the block next to the bell housing right side is P then the numbers 9792968 90 DEG clockwise of the P.
 
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