79 TA head light problem

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I tried looking to see if this has been addressed, no luck.

1979 trans am, all lights work except head lights.
I have replaced dimmer switch, light switch, and signal swith in steering column ....no luck.

Any ideas what I need to do next?

Thanks
 
You mention that you have been replacing parts, you didn't mention any diagnostics that you performed.

Have you checked with a DVOM or a simple test light to see if you are getting power to those lights? have you checked for a ground to those lights?

Are you sure the head lights are good? Older GM cars if I remember correctly can get a bad internal voltage regulator in the alternator spiking the headlights frying any head light you have on. so if you had the high beams on it would take them out also.

And yes I have seen this happen more than once however it is very rare.

for now keep it simple check for power and ground at all the lights if you are missing either you have to start at the source of the power or ground that your missing. many times a simple blown fuseable link could cause this issue as well.

Your car is very old and anything could be wrong, if it is not anything obvious and you checked the basics double no triple check the work you have performed.

My definition of NEW is NEVER EVER WORKS just because the part is new doesn't mean the part works this is especially true with aftermarket china made parts.

make sure to have some sort of manual on hand so you can have something to go by if you need to check the wiring.
 
Used a jumper from battery, head lights are good.

Checked grounds and wiring for any damage all looked good.

You mention " fuseable link", where would that be located?

Just have basic Haynes manual.

Thanks for your help, it is GREATLY appreciated.
 
It has been so long ago I would have to go by a manual to know for sure. Keep in mind my knowledge is general knowledge from many makes and models spanning many years and my memory is not what it used to be.

I remember older fords have fuseable links at the starter solenoid mounted on the fenders they look just like a regular wire except the insulation is normally stretchable a simple tug on them normally will show you it is burnt because it will stretch with no resistance and sometimes they will just be burnt in two.

I am not 100 percent sure that the 1979 TA has fuseable links. GM often would use circuit breakers also that look like little metal relays found in the fuse panel.

So lets check the basics,

Do you have a 12 volt test light or a DVOM ? if so start by testing each fuse in the fuse box use the light to make sure you have power on both sides of each fuse with the key on engine off. You have the old style glass fuses still right?

any fuses that do not have power on them with the key on engine off check with the engine running and with the headlights on.

if you find any fuses that do not have power at all under these conditions write down what the fuse is labeled for. if the markings are no longer visible
it will make diagnosing the problem more difficult.

If you have anything on the fuse panel that looks like a metal relay those will be the circuit breakers one may be labeled for the headlights. again I am not sure, these breakers were used for power seats for sure but I do not remember if they were used in the lighting. for now we are looking for what has power and what doesn't.

to test these circuit breakers provided you have them and you can still see the label identifying the circuit you may need to pull them out one at a time and make mini jumper wires so it can be connected while you have enough room to probe the electrical connection to check for power on each side of the breaker they are just like a fuse that will reset itself but the body of the breaker is normally is too big to probe the connector while the breaker is in place.

GM and other manufactures normally sent the main power from the battery directly to the starter solenoid and a smaller one to the alternator. these fuseable links if they exist would attach to the solenoid or the alternator the fuseable links would feed the main power to the fuse box. this way no wire penetrating the firewall directly from the battery would be without protection

My memory is starting to come back Gm had a small metal sleeve near the starter that some small wires would go through this metal tube protects the wires coming from the starter. in that location if you have fusesable links that is where they would likely be. So if you checked your fuse panel and any of the fuses are not powering up disconnect the battery and look near the starter for a metal tube or bunch of wires.

you may have to disconnect these wires to get a good look at them

they can be easily checked with a DVOM without connecting that battery by checking for conductivity from the connector and probing just beyond the factory splice normally about 12 inches or so the fuseable link is just that a small section of wire spliced onto a normal wire thus protecting that circuit

If you have headers and no metal tube you may have a good chance to find your problem just because of a burnt wire which should be easy to spot.


Here is a link to another forum that shows the fuesable links are by the starter so I am not completely forgetful http://www.78ta.com/HTAF/index.php?topic=14077.0

Good luck remember disconnect the battery before trying to fix them
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Sir, you are good man.

I will take your advise and start tomorrow.

Will keep you posted.

Glass fuses with 2 metal ones I am not sure about.

Gonna follow your much appreciated guidance.

Thanks a million.
 
BTW if you find the link is burnt from the exhaust or just burnt period and you want to diagnose it without making a permanent repair using a fuseable link you do not likely have in your tool box, make a temporary plastic type fuse holder out of two female spade crimp connectors and put a plastic 20 amp fuse in the connectors completing the circuit. if that fuse blows you will need to trace the wire back to the fuse panel or where ever it goes to try and locate where it is shorting out on. if it works good and nothing gets hot while the lights are on go ahead and solder in a new fuseable link Napa should have some in stock. this is provided you have plastic fuses and the connectors.

but please repair it right when your done diagnosing it Old TAs are getting harder and harder to find so do not burn yours up.
 
I'm not sure if you've tried this or if it will help. I recently had an intermittent similar problem where when putting the headlight switch on would light up everything except the front headlights. I coincidently tried hitting the high beam switch which on my 78 is on the floor. It didn't change anything so I reached down and played with the wires going into the high beam switch and presto I was able to get the headlights to come on. After this happened a couple of times I took the high beam switch out and totally apart. Everything looked good except for the connection but after this the problem appears to be gone so far. I hope this helps and what I don't know is if the 79's have the same foot high beam switch which is somewhat awkward to get with your foot and can cause it to take a little bit of a beating. Good luck.
 
I'm not sure if you've tried this or if it will help. I recently had an intermittent similar problem where when putting the headlight switch on would light up everything except the front headlights. I coincidently tried hitting the high beam switch which on my 78 is on the floor. It didn't change anything so I reached down and played with the wires going into the high beam switch and presto I was able to get the headlights to come on. After this happened a couple of times I took the high beam switch out and totally apart. Everything looked good except for the connection but after this the problem appears to be gone so far. I hope this helps and what I don't know is if the 79's have the same foot high beam switch which is somewhat awkward to get with your foot and can cause it to take a little bit of a beating. Good luck.

The OP stated he replaced the dimmer switch.
he has not returned to inform us of his progress.
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