Sorry guys I am out of here

[EaOutlaw]

To the few of you that try and keep this forum alive thanks, I just cannot frequent this forum any longer.

Forums are for enthusiast where people can share their love for the vehicle they drive and care for.

Anything that makes any forum great does not exist here, the majority of the members here are lazy cheap leaches that have no business working on their car.

melsg5 you have the heart of a Saint, I have no idea how you put up with these one way members that only take and never contribute anything to the forum.

The do not even offer a update on how the suggestions or advice worked out for them so other members with the same problem can learn from the thread.

What a shame people have to be so lazy.

 

[richardgriese]

Take care Ea;

Will miss seeing your post here; Post up is your elsewhere and let me know.

Cheers!,

Richard

 

[melsg5]

I have appreciated everything you have contributed but you have to realize all these internet forums will be like that and you cant take it personally. Best of luck to you.

 

[EaOutlaw]

I belong to other forums and yes a certain percentage of the members take without contributing. yet this Pontiac Forum has way too many needy members and very few contributors.

Worse of all the majority get what they need and do not bother coming back to inform us if the information helped.

Which causes us to have to repeat the same old stuff over and over.

I enjoy helping enthusiast that want to learn that love the vehicle they are driving.

I could careless about the cheap bastards that drive a Pontiac because it was cheap and they are too lazy and too cheap to help themselves.

I was never here for the lazy people that want that magic silver bullet that fixes their car with no to minimal effort on their part.

Again I am not sure how you have dealt with it for so long.

Anyways I will not be back to check for anyone's response so save your effort
for the endless stream of users and takers.

I just prefer to help those that help themselves and are kind enough to help others in return.

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[AZ1966GTO]

Hey, EaOutlaw:

Whoa! I just got here!

Your message is a very good one. I will throw out a couple thoughts from the perspective of one new to the internet forum arena:

You are correct: I came here looking .... maybe not for a magic bullet .... but for some guidance. So, I came from a need, not give, angle.

I think I saw some of your other direction regarding cooling issues and request to another member for further information/follow-up. That's a fair expectation of a little reciprocation. However, I cannot say I anticipated my results feedback would be helpful.

Now I see it is and it is the least contribution one can make. I'm on it.

As for contributing, I have worked on motors and vehicles for most of my life. Unfortunately (maybe) those motors and vehicles had wings, blades (small engine repair) and handlebars. I am not afraid to tear into something but I don't have much experience working on cars. So, my apprehension about giving guidance here, although I probably can be helpful from a Mechanic angle to many, would be to not misguide someone or ...... and here is one reason we probably see more "takers" than "givers" ....... get blasted for contributing something wrong.

So, it's also a confidence (with this topic: cars) thing, not a selfishness thing. You want to know how to fly an airplane .... I'm your man. You want to know how to diagnose a problem with your 1966 GTO cooling system .... I gotta refer you to EaOutlaw.

Here is what I am going to do because of your post:

1. I am going to make sure I give feedback on the inputs I receive, as it is helpful to others and rewarding to those guiding;

2. I am going to chime in when I think I can be helpful .... but I might put a disclaimer on my inputs!

3. I am not going to worry about getting blasted because that is probably not the kind of people we have here.

Your topic (cars)-specific talents and willingness to share them are way outnumbered by people seeking that guidance. It is a teacher:student ratio thing. At the risk of going on with the analogy: students rarely give the teacher an apple, many are afraid to raise their hands, they do have to be motivated, they rarely anticipate the value of their contributions to others' learning process.

I will say it: Don't leave, Man! Think what happens when the teacher blows outta the classroom: mayhem!

In the meantime, thanks for your guidance and your message.

 

[melsg5]

I hope he reads your post!

 

[EaOutlaw]

Hey, EaOutlaw:

Whoa! I just got here!

Your message is a very good one. I will throw out a couple thoughts from the perspective of one new to the internet forum arena:

You are correct: I came here looking .... maybe not for a magic bullet .... but for some guidance. So, I came from a need, not give, angle.

I think I saw some of your other direction regarding cooling issues and request to another member for further information/follow-up. That's a fair expectation of a little reciprocation. However, I cannot say I anticipated my results feedback would be helpful.

Now I see it is and it is the least contribution one can make. I'm on it.

As for contributing, I have worked on motors and vehicles for most of my life. Unfortunately (maybe) those motors and vehicles had wings, blades (small engine repair) and handlebars. I am not afraid to tear into something but I don't have much experience working on cars. So, my apprehension about giving guidance here, although I probably can be helpful from a Mechanic angle to many, would be to not misguide someone or ...... and here is one reason we probably see more "takers" than "givers" ....... get blasted for contributing something wrong.

So, it's also a confidence (with this topic: cars) thing, not a selfishness thing. You want to know how to fly an airplane .... I'm your man. You want to know how to diagnose a problem with your 1966 GTO cooling system .... I gotta refer you to EaOutlaw.

Here is what I am going to do because of your post:

1. I am going to make sure I give feedback on the inputs I receive, as it is helpful to others and rewarding to those guiding;

2. I am going to chime in when I think I can be helpful .... but I might put a disclaimer on my inputs!

3. I am not going to worry about getting blasted because that is probably not the kind of people we have here.

Your topic (cars)-specific talents and willingness to share them are way outnumbered by people seeking that guidance. It is a teacher:student ratio thing. At the risk of going on with the analogy: students rarely give the teacher an apple, many are afraid to raise their hands, they do have to be motivated, they rarely anticipate the value of their contributions to others' learning process.

I will say it: Don't leave, Man! Think what happens when the teacher blows outta the classroom: mayhem!

In the meantime, thanks for your guidance and your message.

Hi just to let you know I have been peeking in here at my once favorite forum.

And I have taken your words to heart.

However I still feel that this forum in particular lacks the feeling of community, which is what brought me to forums in the first place.

I do not expect anyone to chime in when they know they do not have anything to offer as far as diagnostics and repair information.

But I think it is fair to expect anyone that ask for help and gets the help to eventually come back and say hey that tip the melsg5 or others provided worked out and helped fix the problem.

This simple gesture even one without written appreciation does many things.

It will help others with the same problem, it will help the person that gave the assistance know that their efforts were not wasted, it also encourages this person " the teacher " to continue to teach.

From my stand point even with the years experience that I have, I could be tired one day and not read the thread properly or understand the question and give the wrong advice. ( which is the last thing I would want to do )

The way I see it everyone has something to bring to the table, every thread or post does not have to be diagnostic and repair related.

Sharing is important, anything from videos, pictures, experiences, horrible fails, epic wins, new modifications. etc

Any interaction or thread that stirs excitement and the imagination to the brand Pontiac is what is needed to keep this forum from becoming just a place to get a few tid bits of knowledge then disappearing again until the next problem arises.

I will hang out and help out as usual, however I sure hope the one hit wonders wise up and get involved.

Imagine how many more knowledgeable, trained and willing to help people there could be here, if only this forum was worth their efforts.

Since your going to try I will try harder and see if I can do more to make this a better forum ( I will also try to do it without being an A-hole ) but no promises there.

Thanks for the wake up call.

 

[bulletworx]

Well more people really are into lurking, especially if they can get all the information they need without having to interact around. I used to be one of them (and still most of the time) but personally I'm very thankful for active contributors like you and Melsg5 for this board. Have fun with your future endeavors.

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[AZ1966GTO]

EaOutlaw:

Excellent!

Thanks for sticking around.

It would be interesting to explore if, as you mentioned in your first message, this forum is different in the aspects you mention. If it is, I would look to what the forum, not the audience, is doing differently to cause the audience to interact with it differently. Believing the audience -- because it is on the 'nanonet' -- is the same, at least initially, for all forums and assuming the audience is choosing to interact differently here.

Glad you are going to stick around!