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Hi
I have just bought a 1970 Pontiac LeMans sport convertible.
My problem is the bodyplate shows the color code is 05 09, but when i try to look it op, it seems like it dosent exist.
I hope some one in here can guide me in the right direction.
DanD
You are correct that those are not valid paint codes for 1970 Pontiac's.
Post a picture of your body plate, it would aide in decoding it. The other thing you could do is contact Pontiac Historical Services, they charge around $65 to send you the paperwork on your car. It will show how the car was equipped from the factory.
very strange trim plate
rivets seem to have been tampered with
is the car a LeMans Sport Convertible?
the paint code is the line above the 0509 and it has "- B", so no color bottom of car
the trim code is 268 which is black
i would contact www.phs-online.com to find out what you have or if someone has switched the trim tag
I wonder if this was an export model.
Interesting to say the least, I have asked a few experts via email and sent them the trim plate to look at. Pending the replies I can only rerecomend the services of PHS.
They were even able to supply the paperwork on my export 73 Lemans wagon.
OK I feel dumb now, I actually knew the answer but forgot. What we thought is the paint code 0509 in not the paint code, the - above those numbers is. It means Special Paint so the original buyer paid extra to have a non standard paint applied. It was usually but not always limited to other brand paint colors that were assembled at the same plant.
The only way to tell what the original color is (besides disassembling the car and looking at not visible body painted areas like the cowl under the front fenders) is the PHS paperwork. But I am not sure it would show the actual color that was ordered or just that the Paint color is non standard. The records they have is the accounting departments paperwork on individual cars to keep track of the actual amount of money the company received on that sale. So it has been known to not show options that did not effect the price of the car, or in this case it will show that special paint was paid for, but may not show what color was actually applied.
To narrow the possibilities you could find out what plant the car was made in, then find out what other types or makes of cars were also assembled there. I have never heard of a different color applied that wasn't already in use at the assembly plant.
Except for special promotion cars, like the 11 pink 1967 Penthouse pet Firebirds, or cases like COPO cars were a set minimum of units were required and thse cars came down the line together.
The color looks Purple on my computer screen what color is it in person?
Just another note I forgot to mention, the 0509 are option code or codes, not all of them have been documented.
It was suggested the easiest place to check for what color the car was originally painted would be the top of the floor boards, simply pull one or both sill plates and peel the carpeting back to take a look. I agree that that area was not usually repainted during a color change.
Otherwise you may have to look in the trunks interior in all the holes in the body with a light and camera. Short of that the cowl area is the best place to look. But it requires that a front fender be pulled.
Questions what Plant was the car assembled at? And does the purplish paint on the car now look to be original?
OK, The "Experts think the B in the 1st line of the trim plate indicates the car was Built in the Baltimore Plant, also the - B for the color code is - for special order lower color (the body) and B for the Black Convertible top or upper color if it were a HT or Sedan.
They are really interested in the car, I hope he responds back.
Also they say it is 50/50 if the PHS paperwork will have the actual color sprayed hand written on the form. If not it will only show the charge for non standard color.
The color is purple, and the car is a convertible with a black top, and Black interior.
The vin number confirms that it was built at the Baltimore plant.
Will a special color inflict the value of the car, and if so, in a positive or negative way?
I am very greatfull for all help you have given me so far, so thank you very much too all of you.
I will order the papers from PHS and let you know how it turns out.
If it can be proven that it was a factory special order with documentation it may increase the value but there is a limited number of potential buyers to whom that would be of importance.
I am glad you are sending for the PHS paperwork, looking forward to seeing what is says. Your car has generated a lot of interest in the Detroit area, we are always interested in odd ball cars in this area. Quite a few retired GM Engineers here so they are looking forward to what you find out.
The order was placed by John R. Rudd Pontiac, Inc. Schenectady, NY
Date: 12-29-69. Date of craft: 01-22-70
In 2007 it was importet to Denmark from San Francisco.
Found this on the net: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=301319&page=5
Also found a color called crazy plum Purple, but don’t know if that color was used i 1970.
the Plum Crazy Purple was a color used by Dodge/Plymouth, I would think a special paint would be restricted to the formulas that GM used but not 100% sure.
I was told that if you could provide GM with the PPG P/N of the color you wanted they would usually spray that color for you. But in most cases it would be a color from another division.
If you don't mind post the PHS info on it, it may help narrow any other options down. Sounds like the Purple is what it came from the factory
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